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    Posted: 29 April 2007 at 08:36

Can anybody tell me what the minhag by Breslov is regarding listening to music on the Omer?
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I have the same question...
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And nobody seems to have the answer!
 
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BS"D
 
  
Hi 2 all, just saw a posting re this question it says that we
 
don't listen 2 music during Sefirat Omer until 33 of the Omer.
 
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Originally posted by ahuvab

Can anybody tell me what the minhag by Breslov is regarding listening to music on the Omer?

 
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Does anybody know why Rav Nachman is said to be 'netzach shebeNetzach' ( the aspect of the 25th day of Omer). I don't think it is only because he said 'Nitzachti vaAnatzeach'. True he did 'succeed' (leNatzeach) to reveal to us great secrets against the will of the you know who. And he will succeed in bringing everyone back to teshuva (vaAnatzeach)... but is there anything else to be said about this?
 
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Chag Same'ach 2 all. Someone asked me 4 the Nosach of Sefirat Ha'Omer, so here it is 4 everyone.
 
Please note, it is 2 B said every evening after Arvit.
 

לְשֵׁם יִחוּד קוּדְשָׁא בְּרִיךְ הוּא וּשְׁכִינְתֵּיהּ בִּדְחִילוּ וּרְחִימוּ. לְיַחֵד שֵׁם י"ה בו"ה בְּיִחוּדָא שְׁלִים בְּשֵׁם כָּל יִשְׂרָאֵל הִנְנִי מוּכָן וּמְזוּמָן לְקַיֵּם מִצְוַת עֲשֵׂה שֶׁל סְפִירַת הָעוֹמֶר. כְּדכתיב: "וּסְפַרְתֶּם לָכֶם מִמָּחֳרַת הַשַּׁבָּת מִיוֹם הֲבִיאֲכֶם אֶת עוֹמֶר הַתְּנוּפָה. שֶׁבַע שַׁבָּתוֹת תְּמִימוֹת תִּהְיֶינָה. עַד מִמָּחֳרַת הַשַּׁבָּת הַשְּׁבִיעִית תִּסְפְּרוּ חֲמִשִּׁים יוֹם. וְהִקְרַבְתֶּם מִנְחָה חֲדָשָׁה לַה' ונאמר שִׁבְעָה שָׁבֻעֹת, תִּסְפָּר-לָךְ:  מֵהָחֵל חֶרְמֵשׁ, בַּקָּמָה, תָּחֵל לִסְפֹּר, שִׁבְעָה שָׁבֻעוֹת". לתקן שורש מצוה זו במקום עליון עם כל המצוות הכלולות בה. לעשות נחת רוח ליוצרנו ולעשות רצון בוראנו. ויעלה לפניו כאילו כווננו כל הכוונות הראויות לכוון בזה" :וִיהִי נוֹעַם אֲדֹנָי אֱלֹהֵינוּ עָלֵינוּ. וּמַעֲשֵׂה יָדֵינוּ כּוֹנְנָה עָלֵינוּ. וּמַעֲשֵׂה יָדֵינוּ כּוֹנְנֵהוּ:

 

 

ה', יִגְמֹר בַּעֲדִי: ה', חַסְדְּךָ לְעוֹלָם; מַעֲשֵׂי יָדֶיךָ אַל-תֶּרֶף: אֶקְרָא, לֵאלֹהִים עֶלְיוֹן; לָאֵל, גֹּמֵר עָלָי: וָאֶעֱבֹר עָלַיִךְ וָאֶרְאֵךְ, מִתְבּוֹסֶסֶת בְּדָמָיִךְ; וָאֹמַר לָךְ בְּדָמַיִךְ חֲיִי, וָאֹמַר לָךְ בְּדָמַיִךְ חֲיִי: בָּרְכִי נַפְשִׁי,  אֶת-ה': ה' אֱלֹהַי, גָּדַלְתָּ מְּאֹד;  הוֹד וְהָדָר לָבָשְׁתָּ: עֹטֶה-אוֹר, כַּשַּׂלְמָה;  נוֹטֶה שָׁמַיִם, כַּיְרִיעָה:

 

(אומר הש"ץ: ברשות מורי ורבותי, ועונין: שמים)

 

 

בָּרוּךְ אַתָה ה', אֱלֹהֵינוּ מֶלֶך הָעוֹלָם, אֲשֶר קִדְשָׁנוּ בְּמִצְווֹתָיו, וְצִיוָנוּ עַל סְפִירַת הָעוֹמֶר:

 

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·                 5/21/09  הַיּוֹם שְׁלשָׁה וְאַרְבָּעִים יוֹם לָעוֹמֶר שֶׁהֵם שִׁשָּׁה שָׁבוּעוֹת וְיוֹם אֶחָד:

 

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הָרַחֲמָן הוּא יַחֲזִיר עֲבוֹדַת בֵּית הַמִקְדָש לִמְקוֹמָה בִּמְהֵרָה בְיָמֵינוּ אָמֵן :

 

 

לַמְנַצֵּחַ בִּנְגִינֹת, מִזְמוֹר שִׁיר. אֱלֹהִים, יְחָנֵּנוּ וִיבָרְכֵנוּ; יָאֵר פָּנָיו אִתָּנוּ סֶלָה.

לָדַעַת בָּאָרֶץ דַּרְכֶּךָ; בְּכָל-גּוֹיִם, יְשׁוּעָתֶךָ. יוֹדוּךָ עַמִּים אֱלֹהִים: יוֹדוּךָ, עַמִּים כֻּלָּם.

יִשְׂמְחוּ וִירַנְּנוּ, לְאֻמִּים: כִּי-תִשְׁפֹּט עַמִּים מִישֹׁר; וּלְאֻמִּים, בָּאָרֶץ תַּנְחֵם סֶלָה.

יוֹדוּךָ עַמִּים אֱלֹהִים: יוֹדוּךָ, עַמִּים כֻּלָּם. אֶרֶץ, נָתְנָה יְבוּלָהּ; יְבָרְכֵנוּ, אֱלֹהִים אֱלֹהֵינוּ.

יְבָרְכֵנוּ אֱלֹהִים; וְיִירְאוּ אוֹתוֹ, כָּל-אַפְסֵי-אָרֶץ.

 

 

אָנָא בּכֹחַ גְדֻלַת יְמִינֶךָ, תַּתִּיר צְרוּרָה:                 אב"ג ית"ץ

קַבֵּל רִנַּת, עַמְךָ שַׂגְבֵנוּ, טַהֲרֵנוּ נוֹרָא:                   קר"ע שט"ן

נָא גִבּוֹר, דוֹרְשֵׁי יִחוּדֶךָ, כִּבֶבַת שָׁמְרֵם:                נג"ד יכ"ש

בָּרְכֵם טַהֲרֵם, רַחֲמֵם צִדְקָתֶךָ, תָּמִיד גָמְלֵם:           בט"ר צת"ג

חָסִין קָדוֹשׁ, בְּרוֹב טוֹבְךָ, נַהֵל עֲדָתֶךָ:                  חק"ב טנ"ע

יָחִיד גֵאֶה, לְעַמְּךָ פְּנֵה, זוֹכְרֵי קְדֻשָׁתֶךָ:                יג"ל פז"ק

שַׁוְעָתֵנוּ קַבֵּל, וּשְׁמַע צַעֲקָתֵנוּ, יוֹדֵעַ תַּעֲלֻמוֹת:       שק"ו צי"ת

 

(רִבּוֹנוֹ שֶׁל עוֹלָם. אַתָּה צִוִּיתָנוּ עַל יְדֵי משֶׁה עַבְדֶּךָ לִסְפּוֹר סְפִירַת הָעוֹמֶר כְּדֵי לְטַהֲרֵנוּ מִקְלִפּוֹתֵינוּ וּמִטּוּמְאוֹתֵינוּ. כְּמוֹ שֶׁכָּתַבְתָּ בְּתוֹרָתֶךָ. וּסְפַרְתֶּם לָכֶם מִמָּחֳרַת הַשַּׁבָּת מִיוֹם הֲבִיאֲכֶם אֶת עוֹמֶר הַתְּנוּפָה שֶׁבַע שַׁבָּתוֹת תְּמִימוֹת תִּהְיֶינָה. עַד מִמָּחֳרַת הַשַּׁבָּת הַשְּׁבִיעִית תִּסְפְּרוּ חֲמִשִּׁים יוֹם. כְּדֵי שֶׁיִּטָּהֲרוּ נַפְשׁוֹת עַמְּךָ יִשְׂרָאֵל מִזֻּהֲמָתָם:

 

וּבְכֵן יְהִי רָצוֹן מִלְּפָנֶיךָ ה' אֱלֹהֵינוּ וֵאלֹהֵי אֲבוֹתֵינוּ שֶׁבִּזְכוּת סְפִירַת הָעוֹמֶר שֶׁסָּפַרְתִּי הַיּוֹם יְתֻקַּן מַה שֶׁפָּגַמְתִּי בִּסְפִירָה (השייך לאותו הלילה). וְאֶטָּהֵר וְאֶתְקַדֵּשׁ בִּקְדֻשָּׁה שֶׁל מַעְלָה. וְעַל יְדֵי זֶה יֻשְׁפַּע שֶׁפַע רַב בְּכָל הָעוֹלָמוֹת וּלְתַקֵּן אֶת נַפְשׁוֹתֵינוּ וְרוּחוֹתֵינוּ וְנִשְׁמוֹתֵינוּ מִכָּל סִיג וּפְגַם. וּלְטַהֲרֵנוּ וּלְקַדְּשֵׁנוּ בִּקְדֻשָׁתְךָ הָעֶלְיוֹנָה. אָמֵן סֶלָה:)

 

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Now that we have celebrated the Omer, The Given of The Torah or Shavous, many times -because it is my worry- I think why not to live all the streams of judaism harmonously each one other accepting ieach one interpretation on The Torah.

I do humble consider that The Torah was given into exactly Time and Era and as a Holy Book, Mystical One and Deeply as well, we must discover its deeper or inner lessons which probably throughout studying it very hard people have discovered other ways on respecting or applying for this Era The Torah. Torah which demonstrates its inner lessons int the right time and right era to be applied... what do you think? I think The Torah is dynamical ...threfore I do humble consider that all the streams, while respecting the 13 Principles of faith and The Ten Commandments as Foundations, are legitimate to be considered as jew ...what do you thin?

It is nice this cite which Rabbi Tzadok explains in his site Kssher Torah;

"In Pirkei Avot (5:25), the Sage Ben Bag Bag says with regards to the Torah, “Turn it over again and again for everything is in it.” Torah was never meant to be delegated exclusively to the realm of religion and philosophy. Torah was meant to be studied and exposed as being a guide to science and technology, including all the laws of the physics of the natural, supernatural and the inner workings of the human mind."

Later it is said; "Therefore, within Torah there have always existed multiple layers of knowledge just waiting to be discovered and explored"

Thank you!!

I am very gratefully with all of you in this forum, really!.



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Shalom Javier, when Adam obm and Chava obm were in the Garden of Eden they were given two trees, the Tree of Life Torah and Tree of Knowledge, secular knowledge.  I think Hashem wanted them to eat FIRST from the Tree of Life, and then to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, however the sin was in that they reversed the order, that was expected of them.  I think this may be why some religious people get abit nervous about secular knowledge and culture in general.


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Yes very probably it is why... the Inquisition in Spain, its cause was very probably the same, in some aspect.
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Please explain what you mean. 
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I mean the vatican in the middle age was very nrvous about the appearing of science or knowledge. All of thme were murdered in Spain for their dicovereis on science...

To have a mechanical vewpoint on life was very dangerous ...
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Shalom Javier, what exactly were the vatican afraid of?
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Shalom Aaron.

They were afraid exactly about how secular knowledge or scientists studies could displace viewpoints and theologists interpretations on the Bible. That is why many scientist as Galileo Galilei, Kepler and others had to fight very discrectly about their publications.

I think it works nowdays because of belligerancy and expansion of the idolatry and paganism instead of studies on Bible or mysticism.
It is permited by the vatican as a way to prolong its Authority which I do strongly think about.

People connect with G-d about their interpretations or thoughs of who could be or was Jesus, but not by a studied or deeper understanding on their religion. I think if most would discover the origins of Jesus his lessons everybody will return to judaism ... In fact I do strongly consider as many theologists that streams as Prostestantism, Movement on Theology of Liberation which is very spread out on South America, are like way back to the origins of Cristhianity or the Basis and Foundations on Judaism.


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Shalom Javier, are you suggesting that there are xtians who do observe the Noahide Laws without rejecting xtianity?  I don't see how this would be feasible since J is considered to be an idol as far as I know, and the prohibition of idolatry is the first law for Bnai Noah, according to some opinions.


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Shalom Aaron.

I do mean exactly that people is very lost about their religious feeling or orientation about, as well as by vatican interpretation on Bible or what means to be a religius people, its authority as well, as well as by who was Jesus -many realize, like me, he was jew and brings up moral lessons from Torah-.

So infact many people do not observe the Noahide laws, they just obey what is "right" or according to G-d by their feelings or thoughs but not by an ethical code, which ultimalely there is not such in chatolicism as in judaism.
So, Jesus for them is who or what they want to see; a just good person, a revolutionary or even a righteous one or even more, that Jesus is G-d or the Messiah as well. Obviously if they read the passage where Jesus said " I have come, not to change what was said before but to bring a new ...in spanish -buena nueva-", obviously one must interpret that Jesus was bringing up a new interpretation on Torah which I do think pretended to spread out throught gentiles.

So, I want to say that Jesus did not prentend to be a G-d or even to be adorated as a G-d; it was his later disciples and later the vatican who deviate his lessons.

Even Maria after seing the resurecction of Jesus asked to him; who are you, are you rabbi?

Obviously people hold the christianity as Idolatry instead of taking an inner study on Bible, G-d its lessons, etc. But for vatican is very good because allows them to have a long "live"...

About the laws,me as lawyer and many people have been alienated from a "G-dly Law"; Ethical Code. Passing laws on commercial law, justice, criminal law, civil law have become very alienated from a concept of Unity and Restoration or Repair and many Carta Magnas has forgot or has missed to establish any article on the origins of Law, as having come from Talmud, Divine Law, etc...many instead prefer to realizae it comes from Roman and helenistic law -which I do desagree-
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I will add that the interpretation on Jesus as Messiah in fact does not imply to be G-d according to Torah. It is obvious that catholicism and, not the "first christians", were and are very deviate from Torah and Jesus´s lessons which ultimately means to betray a faith a religion or even to G-d -there is book very interesting where this is said many titles as The Vatican against G-d"-.

The bigger sinner has been the vatican, now you can understand one of the reasons I am here... : )
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Shalom Javier, you have given me some interesting food for thought.  Thank you.
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Javier, do you believe in the new testament?



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I think is answered...

1. Sunday as a Santified Day instead Sabbat, I do prefer Sabbat;
2. Jesus as G-d?,It is Idolatry
3. Jesus as G-d´s son, well I think we were conceived from G-d: "Bereishis".
4. Nicea Treatment...I do not sign it...no thank you.
5. Origin of Virtues are in Sefirot found on Torah, not at roman philosofical virtues, although they are interesting they are not bind to G-d and besides apply virtues which were considered already on Sages. So, The Catholicism has perverted the Thruth given at Sinaם.
6. Origin of Law attached to G-d is in Torah not at vatican, roman empire law
7. The New Testament written by Jesus, I have doubts, disciples probably but deviated from Tanach...As far I know from some publications Jesus was jew but he could not become the Messiah, unless you consider The Messiah is in his moral lessons which if we consider this viewpoint, then The Torah itself is The Messiah...many times I do think The Messiah is into its "words" and "Spirit".
8. The "image" which is what we see many times as a way to hold a G-dly Life; No it is throhout study, faith, adversity...Sefirot and Hibodedut...
9.In fact protestastims is a return back to judaism...
10. Jesus just wanted to bring and, it is my believe, The Torah to the gentile, instead the gentile must "trip" to Torah...which I do strongly consider must be so alwasys as Rabbis many times do not encourage to prospectives converts.
11.Studying the Tanach its ten foundations and 13 Principles of Faith, I have to realize it has a strong impact in the mind and psique, totally different if people keep performing idolatry. In fact, I do think strongly it is the most important Base, Foundation in Judaism...G-d is abstraction and to be able to hold a G-dly life must be get it as mentioned before, throuth fait, adversity, study, mysticism...
12.I do not sign The New Testament as a Basis on Jesus as G-d and Messiah, but I do see him as great revolutionary, mystic and philosofer from Judaism. The New Testament was bring as suplementory of the Old One which ultimately was deviated from the Original.
13. I sign The Old Testament its Ten Commandments and 13 Principles of Faith, many Decress -beucase I do realize many of tehm must be considered or studied by science- all the customs as Tzitzits Tefillah, Pesah Festival Omer Chanucka all of them are very nice, really!!!

AHUVAB DO YOU TRUST IN ME AS A SINCERE CONVERT?

Well, although it is shabbat I do humble consider to write and thinking about religion or G-d in Shabbat is a Kosher behaviour while not thinking and writting about other things...





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