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aaron.nanach
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Topic: OmerPosted: 24 June 2009 at 03:24 |
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The Talmud in Sotah (near the end) speaks about Yeshu the Notzri and the yetzer hara iirc and it says there that a Man should always use the right hand to draw near and the left hand to push away. check it out if you want. It seems to be relevant to the topic of education. Edited by aaron.nanach - 24 June 2009 at 03:26 |
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Posted: 24 June 2009 at 13:51 |
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Shalom I do not know what you wish to suggest but reading at wikipedia The Tractace Sotah deals with ritual of the sotah, the woman suspected of adultery...what is the relation with education and yetzer hara? |
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"Surely if you improve yourself, you will be forgiven, but if you do not improve yourself,sin rest at the door. Its desire is toward you, yet you can conquer it" |
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Posted: 25 June 2009 at 00:02 |
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Shalom Javier, as far as I understand I think that the idea was that the animal soul (and disciples such as Yeshu and similar) have sparks of holiness in them that needs to be elevated and refined, and the recommended method for doing this there is to draw near with the right hand and to push away with the left.
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Posted: 25 June 2009 at 01:02 |
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Shalom Aaron. "...doing this there is to draw near with the right hand and to push away with the left." Well, Jesus I do not think was so much perfect but as much I can understand him is more about a philosofer or mystic who wished to bring the moral lessons on Torah to the rest of people and as human...Nobody is more perfetct than the Own G-d, blessed be He for alwasys and Amen... I agree, many times I think ones can not know what is right if he/ she does not experience what is wrong. But to become ones the own teacher or to have a strong discipline on ethic or rigtheouness is very hard, and comes many times through hard experiences, adversities which at the end are push away left by a "left hand"... I agree, sorry but I could not understand your related topic befire with The Talmud. About it I am wishing to buy next books like Talmud Yerusalayim and Sulchan Aruch and some about Rav Nacham... : ) |
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Posted: 26 June 2009 at 09:46 |
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Shalom Javier, I believe that the Lubavitcher Rebbe MHM Shlita said that even Yeshu the Notzri will have a place in the world to come. Seemingly this will require some serious teshuva and brinning merit to the public, to reverse the damage that was done by this soul in the past imho.
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Shalom Aaron. Oblviously the "sins" made but the vatican through history as the Inquisition, the encourageness hating to jews, the protecction given to nazis after the war helping them to escape to Argentina...are big demages made to The Truh, The Torah, G-d and Jews as well as Judaism and I am ashamed of being part of...I do not want it a long more... On the other hand to be homestly I think I should study what happened in those time or period where lived Jesus among the romans soldiers or Roman Empire, but one thing is right to me -"each word or though we express can has at least two aspects or souls or interpretations besides each word taken to its maximum or faultness expression, are without any doubt, a demage for our soul". I mean the word or commamment "love" taken withouth any restriction is burdensome"- And Love withouth any free on expressing as well. So, I do humble consider that each of us must take carefully his/ her words because of their consequences for future generations which I think Jesus did not expected what was made by vatican, idolatry, not obeying the commandments literally, and so on, etc... And to be named as Messiah as Jesus said well, I have to say that he just put emphasys on "La Buena Nueva" but not about all the dogmas which vatican and Catholicism claim nowdays...but at the end his actions had consequences on his period as being named The Messiah which I do have to say I desagree about it about being Jesus the Messia. To me The Messiah is into the Torah´s words or soul so The Messiah will be a period or era which will come through "discrection" and events recognizing it in a "humble soul" and not through a proclaimed one... Edited by Javier - 26 June 2009 at 16:18 |
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 10:08 |
Shalom Javier, some people say that Yeshu stands for yemach shmo ve'zichro (may his name and memory be erased) while on the other hand, the Lubavitcher Rebbe MHM Shlita apparently said that even Yeshu will have a place in the world to come. Perhaps there is no contradiction, since the person who was Yeshu will do teshuva, thus erasing the name Yeshu from his soul and replacing it with the name David Malka Meshicha?
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 22:21 |
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Shalom Aaron. I agree. Up to me is clear that The Messiah is something more powerfull than meres ideas, thoughs or new moral lessons on Torah, although it may be considered that those ideas and interpretations may come from G-d those are not part of Messian while they are not applied or performed, but prepare the world for new events. In this case proclaimed as Messiah must be said from a Humble Soul and if Jesus was not, then He must do Teshuva. Many times on Torah is read that G-d is the Only One Redemer -Blessed be He-, so that He is, into an inner perspective, The Thruth Messiah who acts through mankind with visions, dreams, ideas and son on... Sometimes the creation of Islam as religion and Christianity brings something inner that we must discover into the G-d´s Logic, it is what I think, but from my humble opinion it does not justify a new Religion, in that case there would be many religions as much prophets. Indeed there are two sentences; one from Jesus and one from Mahoma which said respectevely; "I have not come to change what was said before...", something literally said Jesus "G-d said to Mahoma; do not forget what I said to Abraham, Yakov and Moses..." So the Foundations of the Thruth Religion is into The Halacha, Statements or its Basis which are and were forgtoten or not obey by christians and muslims. But being honest I think islam is a bit more similar to judaism while they forbide any kind of Idolatry but not about when they perform "laws" which are derived from Mahoma, not giving in this case recognition to the Thruth Phrophet -Moses- becasue of the thruth way to become binded to G-d is from those The Commandments and Basis which ultimately came from One and one Phrophet. G-d did not want "separations" but I think He wished "streams". Any sincere lover of G-d will have a place in the world to come although he/ she be ignore...I think. |
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Posted: 30 June 2009 at 02:15 |
Very nice Javier, I wish you much health, blessing and success (but please don't forget derech eretz always comes first...)
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Posted: 30 June 2009 at 14:50 |
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I will do not. There is nothing first than G-d -Derech Eretz- and I think I fit myself to this interpretation... |
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Posted: 01 July 2009 at 00:59 |
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Ok Javier, please be gentle.
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