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Javier 
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 Topic: Repair ...Posted: 27 November 2009 at 12:06 |
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About all the posibilities why do you think or chosse I wish to having fun of The Talmud?.
The Talmud deals with commentaries on Laws, right? and about all the possibilities; why do you think or chosse the idea that I am not ready to learn, study the commentaries on The Laws and... Have do you ever think in my serious focus on this subject where I can find a transcendetal viewpoint in Laws, is it another possibility?. And, moreover, why do you chosse or think there is not posibility to get a higher spiritual level?, what does mean a higher spiritual level; besides of being closer to G-d? I let The Spirit of Hashem lead my instructions and lessons from Life ...Like a "sixths sense". Edited by Javier - 27 November 2009 at 12:15 |
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ahuvab
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Posted: 27 November 2009 at 15:00 |
I don't even need to use my sixth sense.
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ahuvab
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Posted: 27 November 2009 at 15:07 |
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Learning is 'lishmor veLaassot' to guard (against sins) and to do (mitzvot). The shulchan aruch has all the laws. You cannot get the law out of the gemara. It is the background to the final laws.
In Torah 31, Rav Nachman says a person can be a big lamdan (know all the gemara) and be a rasha. How is that? Because Torah can be a poison sometimes depending on 'why' one learns it. If you are not living a holy life, it can be a poison. Better to spend more time praying and reading about tzaddikim and their lives to be inspired to be good and pure.
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Javier
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Posted: 28 November 2009 at 14:44 |
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Why do you think or chosse the idea that studying a smaller Talmud "Yerusalayim" "confirm" a "bad idea on me"?,and why do you prefer to "have fun" on the "sixth sense", because it is what I have perceived?,instead of repplying properly about I am claiming or asking for?.
I do not like he dialectical wars or "bad suspicions" or something similar ...I think The Talmud deals on this issue I think I read it on Daf Yomi...The demages done to a person by Lashom Hara ... Edited by Javier - 28 November 2009 at 14:48 |
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ahuvab
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Posted: 28 November 2009 at 21:10 |
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I'm only telling you what is advised by the Rabbis. It's only for your own good. But you insist that you know better. Again, Torah is for keeping not for studying like you would science. And if you don't learn it with that intention then you are putting it in the klipot. And it is you that will have to get it out. That can be quite painful. You've been warned. |
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Javier
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Posted: 28 November 2009 at 23:17 |
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You said (..) I kow better (...).
It is right, and not more than G-d and anyone else but more than yesterday and through the experiences which He -G-d; Hashem- has given me; moral lessons, virtues and repair chances, through my sins He has given me many chances and saved me a lot of times while I was I getting The "G-d´s Hand" -He has let me know where could sin sin be wrong- more than enough, many times, and moreover giving me deepper lessons probably that is the reason I wish to hold The Torah and has driven me here ... To Convert. When I have had not Religion -because never ever I have believe on Catholicism- the only guide was to study my experiences, being empty withouth any influence, and then Eureka! I notice He was behind, My guide and keep going I believe strongly in the Potentia which any people has inside thorugh discovering the G-dly Soul. (...) Sicience (...), Yes I can not conceive The Torah wihtouth Science; "method of discovering" but I realize on our limitations as we are human and can not understand everything. I understand The "Torah" through "Umadda" and "Torah Derech Eretz" I believe there is science, logic, method on anything G-d has made and I wander about it, if not please bring me and try. And more I wonder when by "hitbodedus" there is behind science as well -look at psicologist- ...Never ever The science has put me far way from G-d but closer and closer to Him... So, behind your words there science but first G-d is the only One -force- which drive everything to Him, nothing escape to Him, nothing nothing nothing even this discussion does not escape to HIM ...believe it! I have notice in your warn -thank you- but keep in mind very seriously about my focus on Torah and G-d -and to be "converted". The first Mitzvat is not to know G-d? and does not imply to Know Him in all His ways? I am working on it and it will be for eternity... Ps. I think your sense wbout "I know better" has a bad connotation...and when I have said that I know better? Never ever.! And now may you understand why I did choose the Avatar which is below this post It is said Edited by Javier - 28 November 2009 at 23:18 |
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aaron.nanach
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Posted: 29 November 2009 at 02:43 |
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ahuvab
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Posted: 02 December 2009 at 22:22 |
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Javier, the reason why you shouldn't learn so much before you keep the mitzvot is because a jew was meant to join the spiritual with the material. If you only persue the spiritual, it becomes very dangerous.
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Javier
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Posted: 03 December 2009 at 19:07 |
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Ahuvab.
Actually it is the problem and my need, to balance both "my material needs and spiritual needs" too withouth lacking any of them while learning or "experiencing"...I honestly believe behind The Mitzvoths there is like a "ladder to G-d..." That is why I wish to discover the G-d´s Spirit behind The Laws for applying them...not for enjoying but for my spiritual "hungry" ... |
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Posted: 03 December 2009 at 20:08 |
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ahuvab
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Posted: 03 December 2009 at 20:25 |
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They are 2 roads that lead to trouble.
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Posted: 03 December 2009 at 23:00 |
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i am wondering what is worse, trouble or living in disney world... (devil's advocate) |
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ahuvab
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Posted: 04 December 2009 at 11:33 |
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The person who wants material without the spiritual is a 'consumer'. The person who wants spirituality without making the vessels (mitzvot) for it will be 'consumed'.
One can only come to 'daat' when one marries the material with the spiritual. The mitzvot are exactly that. So either road that isn't this one leads to the medameh taking over. Whether you are medameh that you are a malach or mickey mouse, makes no difference. They are both states you don't want.
As the saying goes.
If you have daat, you lack nothing
If you have everything except daat, you have nothing
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Javier
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Posted: 04 December 2009 at 17:43 |
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I understand it ... it is the eternal faith and fight to get at Daat.
Not having got it is what makes me so "extressed" is what I think, and I need strongly to find any spiritual reason behind everything. Thank you |
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Posted: 04 December 2009 at 19:21 |
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Posted: 05 December 2009 at 22:08 |
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Shalom Aaron.
This time is me I can not understand what exactly you mean. Ps. I am not Shira. Edited by Javier - 05 December 2009 at 22:08 |
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Posted: 06 December 2009 at 04:13 |
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Shalom Aaron
I think while one become more righteous and strongly on it closer will come The Messiah. It depends on our merit and efforts to it as many Rabbis has said -I read something about the coming of the redemption in chabad.org-. I think to get a spiritual experience is very good to practice hitbodedus, being a "sensible person", listen music, you know. |
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Posted: 06 December 2009 at 04:22 |
Rabenu speaks of changing our hitlahavut (passion) for bad to hitlahavut for good. From ahavot nefulot (the love of anything outsiide Hashem) to ahavot kedoshot. From yirot nefulot (fearing anything outside Hashem) to only fearing Hashem. Everything has a 'leumat zeh'. The likutei tefillot is also full of it. Asking Hashem to change our passions from left to right!
Indeed we have to have the left for bechira to be possible. Edited by ahuvab - 06 December 2009 at 04:23 |
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Javier
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Posted: 06 December 2009 at 16:01 |
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And one arrive to Judaism/ Torah through strugles, adversities?
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Posted: 06 December 2009 at 18:51 |
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When a person goes through difficult times, they may either decide there is no G-d (chas veShalom) or decide there must be more to life than suffering for nothing and then begin searching for G-d.
A jew has a natural belief in G-d. It is in his genes from Avraham Avinu. And whilst a non-jew easily gets angry with G-d, a jew usually accepts the difficulties with humility, knowing that G-d knows what He is doing and that one doesn't deserve any better anyway. In fact, according to our sins we should basically not be alive! Only in Hashem's kindness, He waits till we wake up and make teshuva.
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