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Reb Nosson and Shalom Bayis |
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chezi 
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 Topic: Reb Nosson and Shalom BayisPosted: 02 May 2012 at 21:11 |
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Rav Arush, I find it difficult to reconcile your take, that is to do as much as one can to achieve shalom bayis, with the derech of Reb Nosson, which may not have resulted in so much shalom bayis with his wife and family...
When his family begged and cried to him on multiple occastions that he should stay at home he disregarded their wishes and went to the Rebbe. In the HaShmata of LM II the Rebbe says, "Velo yistakel al shum adam hamunu, kegon.....ve'ishto u'banav, etc..."
On one hand you could say that Reb Nosson was on a different madrega then your target audience, but an ikar of Breslov is that every Jew has the ability to be a tzaddik. A tzaddik can forgo shalom bayis?
Kol Tuv,
Chezi
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כמה יפה צעקה לאדם לעולם
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levigsc
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Posted: 06 May 2012 at 15:04 |
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B"H
IMHO at least part of the answer to your important question is revealed in a letter Saba Yisrael wrote to President Shazar, Erev Rosh Chodesh Iyar 5721:
"... One who truly wants to think about the purpose of life and is forced to live amongst people who are totally far from this purpose, must then also be careful that in his mind, at least, he will be outside of civilization. And to distance his thoughts and mind and all his behavior from every aspect of alien mannerisms, and alien traits, and evil ideas, and thoughts of falsehood that exist and are very common amongst most people of the settled world."
It is not simple to seek simplicity, to follow the path that is totally new and yet very ancient... it is not easy to be a disciple of the Master of Prayer.
Ayyy, Baruch Hashem that we have been born in a time when the light of Rabbenu is already illuminating in this world... this is our way to know Hashem and to yearn for Him, to cleave to His Will and Wisdom and recognize His Infinite Mercy.
P/S/ welcome to the forum, thank you for reviving it!
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chezi
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Posted: 09 May 2012 at 00:25 |
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hi levi, thanks for the reply. i agree with what you say, and it only reiterates what i had mentioned about Reb Nosson's and Rabbeinu's derech - to not look at anything klal, and just push to come close to Hashem.
But, my question still lingers.
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כמה יפה צעקה לאדם לעולם
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levigsc
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Posted: 10 May 2012 at 22:02 |
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B"H
what i would like to add, is that if this is a serious discussion - one should look at the women these Tzaddikim were married to. I have had this conversation before, in particular with women (i too am female BTW) who find it difficult to accept that the greatness of the Tzaddik and his dedication to his avodat Hashem and his chassidim were "al cheshbon" their wives... but one should look at the wives - for example Gitelle Karduner and the wife of Yisrael Odesser... alongside the incredible difficulty of their lives was their love for their husbands and their absolute willingness to live with very very little because they believed that there is nothing more worthy than avodat Hashem and doing whatever possible to bring one Jew closer to Hashem and to know the name of the Tzaddik...i know wives of mefitzim who have to manage with poverty etc. - and yet many times they are the ones inspiring their husbands to continue with hafatza... if one reads the words of Gittle Karduner and hears the stories from Saba's Yisrael's daughter about the love between her parents - one is totally in awe of the love and shalom baiy and respect that existed. in other words, the ascent of the tzaddik/husband does not necessarily neccesitate foregoing shalom bayit. one could argue where are the rights of these women? yet one too could argue why is it assumed they are forced into these situations and suffer unwillingly? why belittle the women and assume they are not equally inspired and on a spiritual level that enables such devotion and capacity to face endless challenge in order to fulfill their tachlit in this world?!?!?!?!?! why not understand that this is their choice instead of assuming it is just something they are forced into... i for one am totally amazed by their emunah and their love and avodat Hashem davka because their lives are indeed so very hard.
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